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Schatty, Gunny, and and a few other of the lads were playing it when it first came out.

I never got it, sorry :(

Regardless, what do you want to know?

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I haven't cranked it up in a while. Schatt and I ran some on-line from time to time, but never got anything real serious going with anybody else. I would like to see what would happen with a wolf-pack. Two subs against escorts get pretty much gang-banged real quick.

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Been playing it for almost a year. Lots of mods and add-ons over at http://www.subsim.com. There is a real u-boat mod too that basically takes any 'gamey' elements out of the product, and in turn, gives you nearly a 100% accurate U-Boat to command. It's quite impressive.

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The one thing that got me is that the escorts were nigh-on impossible to escape. Now, I know they sank a lot u-boats, but should it be one depth charge run and your done?

Here's the scenario. Schatt and I ran a few games and this was nearly always the end result. We start creeping in on the convoy. Standard set-up usually with at least one escort leading with flankers. Silent run and make our run in. After the first couple of missions we got to where we wouldn't stick our scopes up because even at tenK meters, we'd draw the escorts down on top of us. Set up for our torpedo shots, send a couple fish down range, dive deep and try to evade. One depth charge run later, we're both sitting at the bottom looking at the fish swim through our now punctured and crushed hulls.

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I played SH2 for some time, and never figured out how to evade surface units. Run silent, run deep just doesn't seem to work for u-boats. Is it something with the game, or is staying motionless way below the thermocline not enough to remain undetected? I played Hunter/Killer 988(I) before sh2, and in both 988 as well as SSN, evading surface units was quite easy. But none of the tricks seem to work in SH2. Any ideas?

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Dunno. I cranked up this baby the last couple of days and I was surprised at how well I faired. Last night, I was running a Type IX out of Spezia. Now, a Type IX is a deep water boat so the Med aint a place for her. But I'd ask for the transfer to this Flotilla so I wound up in Italy. Anyway, on a patrol cruising in my assigned 24 hour box and the look-out screams he has spotted a ship. OK, not a problem. SOP for me now is to dive, even at night, then find out what is up there, especially since the merchants are now armed. So, I hit periscope depth and look around. Hmmmm....V&W Destroyer......10knots.....turning away....CONVOY!

So I I go to slow ahead and continue to creep north, north west. Sure enough, in the distance I see smoke from the stacks of several ships. Cool! I creep on in and it takes me probably 20 minutes to get into position. Outer fringe ships are all coastal and small merchants. Wonderful I think. All this trouble to bag a couple, or three thousand tons. Second line of ships however, turn out to be two C-2 cargo ships, a T-2 tanker, and a troop ship. Oh yeah, that's what we lookin for.

I set up my torpedo shots with all four bow tubes set for one ship each. Magnetic pistol, about a meter under the hull, and unfortunately for me, I forgot and took a bunch of those damned eletric torpedos. I've never had any luck with those things. Premature detonations, not running at the proper depth and then clancing off the hull, running at the proper depth and not going boom.... Anyway, set my shots up, close in to about 1500 meters and fire my spread. Immediately go to silent running because there are four escorts the sound man is reporting.

Now, I don't know about the rest of yall, but waiting for the torpedos to run to target always, for me at least, the most tense time during the whole attack. I mean, I've set up for what should be perfect shots, I'm the wof in amongst the sheep with hounds running around just outside the flock and if I didn't shoot these things right, or my timing is off, I'm in trouble. Plus, how many are going to actually hit? Well, luck held me high regard last night as all four eels found their target. I stuck the scope up for a quick look. Results: T-2 and troop ship, dead int he water, C-2s, one listing heavy to port but still under way, the other down heavy at the bow, still under way.

Escorts start zigging around and the spotlights come on. Oh joy. The one of them lights off his active sonar. This could get interesting. So, as of yet, I'm still undiscovered. They know I'm there, they just don't know where. I keep moving and let most of the convoy pass. I set the stern tubes up for a shot on the closest C-2 and the T-2. Nail the C-2 but she keeps shugging right along and eventually escaped.

Probably 10 mikes has now passed since my initial attack and the escorts have come close to running me down, but no one has seen my scope during the short up-quick peek-down looks I've had. I shoot at the T-2. She takes the hit to port, rolls over and goes down. I secure from silent running and start loading more eels. I start swinging around to take another shot at the troop ship. That tail-end V&W gets a little too close and I waste to eels shooting at him. He never knew they were there. Put another shot into the troop ship. She listing hard to starboard and my second shot on her does nothing but even the list so she's now just sitting low in the water.

Damn. OK, I pass behind her and head south. Tube five is finally ready. I check on where that V&W is. He's now about 4000 yards to the north. I open the distance between the troop ship and myself and shoot tube 5 at her. Duck the scope and watch the stop watch. Just before the torpedo is supposed to hit, I take a peek. The V&W is out of sight and .....HOLY crap! The torpedo hits, and man, that troop ship in rocked by secondaries. At least four different secondary explosions. I was still close that the boat was rocked a little bit by the concussion. Talk about immersion.

Scope down, head south dead slow. Results, Two C-2s damaged, one T-2 tanker and one troops ship sunk. I probably should have hung around and bird-dogged that convoy, but I figured I had pressed my luck way further that I had any right. Finished out my patrol, but didn't see anything else to engage.

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Good report Skipper.

I'm in the Med right now, early 42 in a VIIB. Currently on patrol to CO64..........very close to Alexandria.........only seen a Coastal Freighter so far, took 2 eels to get her.

Going to snoop around Malt for abit and see whats up.

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I was contemplating heading toward Gibraltar since I was in CH92, but the last time I got near that place I was harrased for nearly two days by fighters every time I came to the surface. Anyway, I transferred out of the Med and I'm at Brest now. Gonna run a patrol when I get home this evening. I was looking at starting one last night but they wanted me to head down to South Africa and I'm not sure even with a Type IX if I'd have enough fuel for that trip and I don't think there are any friendly ports that far south.

I probably should have went toward Alexandria for grins. Never been out there. Maybe in the future.

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Oh, and thanks Canuck. You re-stirred up my interest in this gorgeous little piece of software.

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Good stuff Skipper.

This game is a blast and very emersive..............especially with convoys and trying to get away from the escorts.

I have 3 careers going on right now. Trying to go for the XXI type.

My Fav boat is the VIIC...........decent range, speed and great crash dive time of 27sec.

I like fighting 39 - 42.................escorts are hard but you can get away. After 42...........oh God.........they get tougher and tougher. The aircraft have the radar.............the ships do also.............so surfaced at night in bad weather is touch and go.

I have a career right now, Jan 45 and if I sink 1 ship I'm usually happy and beat it for home............the ships also get harder to sink as the war goes on.............better constructed.

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Yeah, 39-42 is a U-boat captains dream. I mean, looking back at last nights action, and hindsight being 20/20. I had beaten the escorts. Maybe I could have gone ahead and bird-dogged that convoy and maybe gotten at least the two crippled C-2s. Then again, I've bad luck pushing it too far, so I took what I had done as a victory, beat feet and lived to fight another day. That Type IX aint a bad boat. It's got the 105 for surface action, which I never really pursue anymore, but in a jam, I like the punch, a heavy 38cm AA gun, and twin 20mm AA guns mounting twin guns. She dives reasonably well and good surface and submerged speeds. I think I'll go back to the Type VIIIc though, I think she's an all around better boat.

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Yup, the VIIC is a first class boat, the on I have in 45 has all the bells and whistles..............took off the deck gun and I have 1 dual 37mm AAA rapid fire and 2 x quad 20mm...................I don't mind staying on the surface once and awhile and slug it out with the aircraft.

In bad weather the first time I get a radar warning I crash dive at once. For surface radar warning I dive deep and change course.............I find the on coming DD has plotted your prob crse and heads that way.

Oh...........watch the snorkel and running it to long..................had a nasty experience with some sutherland who either picked it up on radar or spotted the wake.................those depth charges outta no where scare the crap outta ya!!!!

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LMAO!!!!

Yeah, I could see where the "hand of God Depth Charge from No-where" would probably be a life altering experience. I have never actually made it that far so I've not had to worry about it.

I'll keep that in mind. As for the ac and sluggin it out with them, I don't mind now with the 38 and twin dual 20 mounts. Quad 20s would be real nice.

One of the online whoyas Rick and I ran we knew they were there but the convoy called in PBYs and I think a couple of Liberators in on our asses. Not fun, not fun at all. Two DDs a piece pounding us for all we're worth, taking their turns gang-bangin us and when one would clear and you'd think you'd have a brief respite, the birds would come and drop on you. Soon as that one had cleared, in came another DD for his turn. Wash, rinse, repeat and always two very dead U-boats. They hated me so bad once that these two DDs kept throwing ashcans at me even as my hull lay crushed on the ocean floor. Not a happy time.

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LOL................I now what you mean about getting hounded.

I have learned a few things as the years go on in the game................it better to attack in Moderate to Foul weather as I find the DD's have a harder time picking up the scent due to wave action.

Also a point to note, as I found out the hard way is when certain DD's get the Hedghog................good lord that can ruin your day!!

I was watching this DD make a run on me, I was deep so I figure I'd punch it when he made his run and do a knuckle.....................then I see this puff of smoke and a flash followed by a circle pattern on the water ahead of the DD where I'm at...................YIKES!! Took some serious damage before I shock them and limped home.

Have you had this one happen.......................I was on the coast of England early 41............ran into a DE and played cat and mouse with him...................he decided to call friends to the party...............when I managed to run away there where no less that 1 DE, 1 armed Trawler and 4 DD's looking for me...........a tad unfair I'd say!!

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Yeah, a tad. I was off what ever that big naval base is on the north eastern tip of England and I had that happen. I was planning on sneaking in there and causing a little havoc. An armed trawler got the scent after a dud careened off his hull. I went as deep as could and tried to slip out. Next thing I know, the sound guy is going absolutely nuts. There were at least 6 ships up there looking for me. There were so many high-speed screws up there I couldn't count them all.

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Would that be Scapa Flow? There were a large bunch o' D's, 2Bs, 4 escs and 3 patrol boats taking shelter, I slunk in from the 18m eastern shallow, got bearings on 5 of the big ones. Did a slow turn and fired off 4 fore and 1 aft, and headed out to the deep. 4 torps hit, I got a B, and 2 Ds, but those darn patrols chased me out. Luckily there was a large grid o' shallows out nor-east, i got into them and waited the patrols out. Ran into the Royal Ark operating from west Norway, gave her escorts a scare, and got home 3 weeks later. Had to take a roundabout route south of the channel, 'coz they stepped up patrols after my ambush, but got home safe. Loved that mission.

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That would be it. The name had escaped me for the moment. But that's the place. I was goin after the BBs, but them little tin-cans made life a tad too interesting. The armed trawler I shouldn't have taken the shot at, but he was gettin way too close and when he turned right down my bearing, I'd had enough of him.

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Well..................ran the game for a few last night.

Decided not to stick around CO and Alexandria, after a long trip and only 1 Coastal sunk the lads are getting frustrated, can't say I blame them. Decide to head back and head W SW side of Malta in hopes of catching a convoy or strays that the Luffties haven't pounded on yet...............3 days and nada..........the weather is crap to boot. I decide to have some fun and set course for the main Malta harbour.

We wait till night and head in, weather is clearing..........the night is pitch black..........I'm on the bridge and we are about 10km N NW of the harbour closing in at slow speed, thinks are looking good.

All of the sudden outta the night comes the search light outta no were and water spouts start landing close.....................**ALARM**...............

crah dive...........periscope depth.................the crew reacts quickly and I'm already at the scope raising.............a quick scan reveals a DD closing fast, range 933m bearing 001..................crap.................this is going to be close and fast................open tube 4 my homing torp..................mark...........fire 4......................something tells me its not a good one...........gut feeling.................open tube 1.........steamer..........solution 000 rge 725 speed 25knots............mark.............fire 1.

Order hard left rudder crash dive to...................whats the depth under keel.........47 meters.............oh crap.................make depth 40meters and hang on lads!!

Well the first eel missed.............as I felt it would.............but the 2nd eel hit the DD square in the bow.........what an explosion and close.

Sonar reports en warship closing far.................we are up to scope depth and have a quick peek..........here comes a corvette looking around..............she's 1400m bearing 210...............stern shot with homer and we claim another warship.

I'm now 1500m N NW of the harbour enterance and there we wait at the mouth for our oppurtunity............its getting light out...............hope the RAF don't spot us in these shallows.................we shall see!!!

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I started a new campaign last night. Type II out of Wilhelmshaven. Sent up north to patrol of the Norwegian coast. OK, no prob. Get to my patrol zone, set up my box and start to cruise. Weather is shity this time of year and man the seas are rough. Seen a lot of nuetral shipping on the trip up, but hey, even British ships are all warm, fuzzy and friendly right now. Half way through the patern the radio man says we've received a message. I take a look at the flimsy, yep, this is it boys, "Commence combat operations against British forces". We're at war.

So, I finish out my box and head toward Scapa Flow. Something told me this was not a bright idea but I shook it off to first day gitters. Get a couple of reports of some slow ships but I ignore those and keep my heading. Arrive at the mouth of the harbor and promptly torpedo a V&W on patrol. Hay! My first kill in a new war.

Wait for nightfall and make my run in. Actually got into the bay and find several destroyers at anchor. Nothing bigger. Oh well. I set up for shots on three and let fly. Timing was off. Damn the bad luck. Nail one, but now the harbor is full alert. Oh crap, didn't see the four other DDs off in the distance till the spotlights came on. So I figure its time to get the flock out of Dodge.

Head south with them DDs sniffin all over the place. Dieter looks at me like I'm nuts. I guess I should have listened to my gut feeling. I got run over by a DD. All hands lost. That entrance aint that deep. Sucked to be me.

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I did actually like SH3 when it 1st came out.

Early war scenerios were cool, as the Kriesmarine r00led!

But it started getting tedious in late `42, early `43, as I had a couple dozen cruises under my belt. It seemed like I

could not be surfaced for more than a half hour before the air would erupt with RAF aircraft. Over and over and, well, over!

I actually got through some exceedingly low yielding cruises that way, but decided to try other things and get back to it.

I never did. And after hearing it plunked StarForce on my system, I uninstalled it.

I hope SH4 is more like the old Amiga Silent Hunter. I remember completing that campaign a couple of times...

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Over at the Ubi-pit you have the same old Ameri-hate going on. "Leave the SH series where it belongs, in the Atlantic" "We don't want or need US boats" "The real sub war was in the Atlantic" yadda yadda yadda. Anyway, I'm hoping that if there is an SH IV, it IS in the Pacific. I always loved putting the Nipponese tonnage on the bottom.

Anyway, started yet again and faired better. Haven't been able to return to port yet. Sunk one C-2, missed a fishing boat and torpedo'd another C-2 but shes yet to go down. So I saved and exited but I'm gonna hang out as long as I can. I'm afraid that since he didn't go down right away, or hasn't yet (he's dead in the water) that he was able to get a message off to fleet. And since we're only a couple hours south east of Scapa Flow, well things could get interesting real quick.

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