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At another forum I posted this:

Coming from a TM background I am trying to undertake button programming of my X52 that I could with my TM F16 J'stick and throttle combination: like O/, I/, /T, /H, /R etc.

Mine is the simpliest requirement:

I want to be able to to achieve 3 diffent keystrokes with 3 presses of a single button.

eg. Button A pressed (and released) 3 times to achieve outcome of (say):

a (with the first press and release)

b (with the second press and release)

c (with the third press and release)

In TM terms (non pinkie mode)

toggles a, b and c:

/O/T a

/T b

/T c

There is not specific timing required: i.e. If I press once I get an a; comeback x days later and I press once I get b!

What could be simplier! But not on my X52 with .pr0 SST software.

Hope you can help

For which I got this reply:

Currently not possible, I'm afraid. It's on the list of features to implement though.

For which I replied:

Thanks for the very speedy reply. Yes .... in some ways I expected such an answer. Makes me feel a little less foolish

Pity really. IMHO its such a basic, first principal issue, but may be difficult to engineer with current software.

Currently, I'm overcoming it with "trickie dickie" advanced command. Its just that you sometimes have to wait ..... maybe only 0.5 sec, but in that time you could be a fireball.

However I'm working on it .........maybe others have been more successfully in achieving where I have been unable ...... stay posted .....

Edit 1: Wonder what's on the stick and throttle of a real FA18 or F16? I will check elsewhere.

Edit 2: I meant I would check here and elsewhere

Well? Any clues??

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Not to compare HOTAS, but, I've been able to do what you describe with Control Manager for a couple years now.

Yes thanks for the "non-comparison", Hope to stick to the "a" then the "b" then the "c" discussion with the X52.

Moving on ............ CONTROL MANAGER ???? ........With the X52 ???? ....... Am I missing something ????

Maybe you could PM (or post ) the part of your profile that does this a to b to c?

My X52 TAW profile is almost there. Just reconfiguring that "clutch" button to a standard button.

Wombat

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Well here it is:

Hands-On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) Ref: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...-22-cockpit.htm

The F-22 features a side-stick controller (like an F-16) and two throttles that are the aircraft's primary flight controls. The GEC-built stick is located on the right console and there is a swing-out, adjustable arm rest. The stick is force sensitive and has a throw of only about one-quarter of an inch. The throttles are located on the left console. Both the stick and the throttles are high-use controls during air combat. To support pilot functional requirements, the grips include buttons and switches (that are both shape and texture coded) to control more than 60 different time-critical functions. These buttons are used for controlling the offensive (weapons targeting and release) and defensive systems (although some, like chaff and flares, can operate both automatically and manually) as well as display management.

IMHO that what's modelled in the Thrustmaster F16 stick and the Cougar. Doesn't mean to say "Press Button A gets a, press again gets b, press again gets c, however .........

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I think this says it all (the bit in red). However the X52 is great by not as totally hands free as is another stick system. I'm lucky: I fly TAW in easy mode on my notebook with an X52 and Falcon4A/F in realistic mode on my PC with a Cougar.

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