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It will be interesting to see if my old players folder shows my pilot record correctly in the original TAW, because it never seems to be the same in F22 2008.

What exactly is different between pilots? Are there inconsistencies between which single missions have been accomplished, is it a different picture and squadron when you start the program, or is it somethine else?

If it's the single missions, are you using my updated single missions file (found in the incremental fixes thread)? If so, this may cause a few inconsistencies if you had previously "passed" free flights or demonstrations.

If it is the picture and squadron, this isn't a bug, but just the way TAW handles the player files. The selected pilot and squadron pics are located in the players.lst file (and not in the players\0 folder), so you could back up your players\0 folder and still have different logos between installs.

If the problem is anything else (e.g. campaign stats, medals, etc.) please let me know with as much detail as possible. Screenshots are ideal.

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What exactly is different between pilots? Are there inconsistencies between which single missions have been accomplished, is it a different picture and squadron when you start the program, or is it somethine else?

If it's the single missions, are you using my updated single missions file (found in the incremental fixes thread)? If so, this may cause a few inconsistencies if you had previously "passed" free flights or demonstrations.

No, I haven't used this. I really didn't understand completely what it was. I thought it was similar to the patch that allowed access to all campaigns for the original version.

If the problem is anything else (e.g. campaign stats, medals, etc.) please let me know with as much detail as possible. Screenshots are ideal.

In the original TAW I completed every one of the training mission (or single missions if you prefer) I also won at least 4 campaigns ( I'm not sure exactly) and I think that my pilot score was higher. I really am not very concerned about the score, and minimally about the campaigns, but I really wanted all of my training/single mission successes transferred. In the manual it stated that your wingmen proficiency was based not only your completion of the missions but also on what level you played them. Since, I had taken a lot of time to complete all of these on the HARD level, I saved these scores for the future if I decided to start playing TAW again.

The problem I have had is that with each install I have had different results from the F222 2008. The first time it showed that I had not completed any campains (but one was active), only one training mission had been completed (I think it was Sidewinder), and I had no score so I was locked out of most campaigns.

On the second install, I had completed approximately 4 or 5 missions, won 2 campaigns (same one active) and my score was around 45,000.

For the third install, I had completed 6 missions since I had saved the folder from the second install (I completed additional missions), had won no campaigns (same one active) and my score was the same as with the second install.

If I ever get around to it, I plan on transferring my original folder into the original TAW to see what it shows.

I really can't give you screenshots for the first two intalls, but I can for the current one. Let me know how you paste a screenshot into a post, then I will also show you what I meant by blocky clouds.

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2daMax,

Have you considered a dual boot configuration? As long as you install 98 first, you should be able to install XP on top of it and use XP's boot.ini. There are other, fancier solutions (I like BootIt NG myself), but if you're willing to reinstall XP (you should be able to use the settings transfer wizard) this might be a way to go.

Yes, I've considered dual booting. Unfortunately. I had XP installed first, so that makes 98 install more difficult. It can be done without losing XP but needs a few tricks to get back the XP system files to be the 'master'. I will check out BootIT NG, thanks for the tip.

My older rig is a dual boot 98/XP. After many attempts to get Speedkeys to work, I finally found the installer. Initially, I double click the existing installation but it just didn't work. So, I reinstalled Speedkeys and it worked. It saw the throttle and the rest was re-learning how to program it. Made a few mistakes which made the joystick dissapear in XP. Now got it 100% working. It felt good! I also discovered that the DOS version of Speedkeys, Tmenu, cannot detect the throttle if the BIOS settings USB 2.0 is Enabled. Disabling this setting allows Tmenu to see the throttle. Strange, but that's the way it is.

Then I went into V1.5 and challenged the 1 on 1 F22 training mission. I finally defeated it but it took a long while. The viewing and situation awareness is key in dog fighting IMO. Previously, I was slow to change the views to locate where the enemy plane was. Now with the throttle, I programmed the views and was able to know where the enemy is. Then, I up the ante and challenge the 2 Mig29s and Splash them. Wasn't successful in Altitude Monkey though....did not follow the high altitude advantage.

The external USB hard disk Win98 installation is a failure. It is a 320GB disk and 98 can't see the entire thing. Got to partition it but now I think I rather do a dual boot directly.

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Yes, I've considered dual booting. Unfortunately. I had XP installed first, so that makes 98 install more difficult. It can be done without losing XP but needs a few tricks to get back the XP system files to be the 'master'. I will check out BootIT NG, thanks for the tip.

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The external USB hard disk Win98 installation is a failure. It is a 320GB disk and 98 can't see the entire thing. Got to partition it but now I think I rather do a dual boot directly.

Just so you know, BootIt NG won't get around the partition number that the boot.ini et al key off of. I'm sure there is a way to do it, but I was not successful when I attempted to add 98 to my multi-OS setup. That's why I recommended the settings transfer wizard followed by a reinstall. There should be a way to do it without reinstalling XP if you can get 98 on the first 8Gb of a second physical hard drive (and BootIt can help you with that), but I haven't tried that personally.

Glad to see the rest of it is working. If you want more SA, consider TrackIR or FreeTrack. Being able to glance at will contributes magnitudes to your SA.

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God!!!!! What have I missed in my absence!!! Not ready to come back just yet but I'm getting there. Its that dreaded "D" word. Those who have it will know what I mean.

All the best

Wombat

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I made a new profile with a little more complexity with XDProfile and played TAW for about an hour without problems. I had even overclocked the video a bit. I played a few custom combats and training missions. I'm going to add a little more complexity to the x45 profile to see if that will work.

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Its that dreaded "D" word. Those who have it will know what I mean.

Good to hear from you! I obviously don't have it so don't know what you mean. :)

ramjet,

Also good to hear you're still involved with TAW..it must be 10 years since we tried to hook up online......

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ramjet,

Also good to hear you're still involved with TAW..it must be 10 years since we tried to hook up online......

Not quite that long but it has been awhile. What a fiasco those multiplayer games were. I remember that whenever we tried to get both of us and Captain Crusty in a game, you always seemed to get dropped from the connection. The multiplayer games didn't work often, but when they did it was fun.

You and the others have done a great job keeping a classic game from disappearing.

I think that I've finally gotten my x45 to work (I think the problem was the Saitek software) with XDProfile so now I can start to try some of the mods.

Getting back into the training missions and some custom combat have really demonstrated the decline of my flying skills. You and Crusty would kick my butt now. I'm starting to contemplate trying the medium setting because I'm having a lot of difficulty getting through some of the training and especially avoiding missles and SAMS on the hard setting.

Maybe if I get a little better we could try a multiplayer. I'd be curious to see how it runs with a broadband connection because it was pretty much hit or miss with dialup.

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Ramjet, my problems were (I guess) down to the ISDN drivers I had at the time. Not many other people used ISDN. A year or so ago, I hosted an online game on a 11MB WLAN link in Sweden with a couple of of people on California and Polak in New York. There was no problem whatsoever with stability, so the original TAW multiplayer code was well ahead of its time.

Wombat, Happy Birthday!....I still don't know what the "D" word means. :rolleyes:

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After downloading I get this error message:

"Installer integrity check has failed. Common cause includes incomplete download and damaged media..

Contact the installer's author to obtain a new copy"

Should I just download again and hope for better luck?

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Wombat, it works great here and Home Fries has produced one of the slickest installers that I've ever seen.

I guess all the download sources should be the same, but this is the one I used:

http://rs615.rapidshare.com/files/21694422...v15B2-setup.exe

When it has finished, you should have downloaded a file that is exactly 110720830 bytes in size.

If I double click on this file, the installer runs without any problems.

Hope this helps.

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Wombat, it works great here and Home Fries has produced one of the slickest installers that I've ever seen.

I guess all the download sources should be the same, but this is the one I used:

http://rs615.rapidshare.com/files/21694422...v15B2-setup.exe

When it has finished, you should have downloaded a file that is exactly 110720830 bytes in size.

If I double click on this file, the installer runs without any problems.

Hope this helps.

Mikew, used the same download site and file also exactly 1107200830 bytes. Double clicking gives me that error mesage. Strange ..... Maybe I should uninstall 2008 v.1R first ?

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Mikew, used the same download site and file also exactly 1107200830 bytes. Double clicking gives me that error mesage. Strange ..... Maybe I should uninstall 2008 v.1R first ?

Wombat,

First of all, welcome back!

Second of all, the error message to which you refer is likely to a corrupted download. Best bet is to try another mirror. Also, if you could let me know which mirror gave you the corrupted file, I can look into it, though it's likely an anomaly.

You don't need to uninstall 2008 v1R. I keep multiple installs on my machine for testing purposes, and I've had no conflicts since 2008 does not make any registry entries. Likewise, Beta 2 defaults to a different folder than v1R.

Hope this helps,

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... and Home Fries has produced one of the slickest installers that I've ever seen.

Mikew,

As much as I would like to take credit for the installer, Spear was the guy responsible for this effort. All I can take credit for is recommendations of what to add and where.

Once we can release 1.5 Final that installer will be mine (as will the praise and blame associated). Speaking of which, here's for a quick recovery on your end.

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Wombat,

First of all, welcome back!

Second of all, the error message to which you refer is likely to a corrupted download. Best bet is to try another mirror. Also, if you could let me know which mirror gave you the corrupted file, I can look into it, though it's likely an anomaly.

You don't need to uninstall 2008 v1R. I keep multiple installs on my machine for testing purposes, and I've had no conflicts since 2008 does not make any registry entries. Likewise, Beta 2 defaults to a different folder than v1R.

Hope this helps,

Thanks Homefries. Yes, its nice to be back. Its all a bit strange really. Read some of my earlier posts and its seems years ago. But its coming back. Keen to run with 1.5beta2 and will re-download when again able. My "problem" site was this one "http://rs615.rapidshare.com/files/216944224/F22-2008-v15B2-setup.exe" but I suggest you don't act 'til I've tried the site again in about a week's time. It probably just my silly old mind playing tricks.

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Just downloaded using the same link as above on another PC with no problems whatsoever. Seems like there's something strange going on with Wombat's PC.

Yes ....... have done just that and loaded perfectly on both PC's. I'm going to fly ........... and no more tweaking (which I love). Just need to "turn off"; use what is currently setup for 1.5beta2 with 1024 res for my notebook, my X52 and just fly.

Thanks boys.

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Home Fries,

I did what u taught me on missile avoidance and it worked. It's pretty scarry to hear the Radar missiles just zooming past, missing you by meters.

On Win98 install over the USB external HD, it's a failure. It won't boot without running into errors. I think it may be the USB part. I've tried some fixes from Microsoft but it still won't work. Anyway, I am happy enough to be able to use my CH HOTAS setup.

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Home Fries,

I did what u taught me on missile avoidance and it worked. It's pretty scarry to hear the Radar missiles just zooming past, missing you by meters.

On Win98 install over the USB external HD, it's a failure. It won't boot without running into errors. I think it may be the USB part. I've tried some fixes from Microsoft but it still won't work. Anyway, I am happy enough to be able to use my CH HOTAS setup.

Glad I could help. Missile-wise, if you see the missile moving across your screen, you're probably safe. It's if the missile doesn't move (except for getting bigger), then you're in trouble! To me, the worst part is hearing the chaff/flares kick out automatically and I still don't see it. I hate breaking into the missile on faith.

You're likely right about the Win98/USB. IIRC, USB hard drives didn't really come into play until 2000/ME/XP days. Heck, even my bleeding-edge (at the time) box that came with WinME only supported USB 1.0. You might actually have better luck with a 256MB (minimum) thumbdrive.

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All of the problems that I've had must have been related to the Saitek software. I've had no x45 related problems with TAW 2008 since switching to XDProfile. I have even been able to use the Glide wrapper without problems. When I first tried Glide with the Saitek software the X45 either went haywire or completely dead. I'm going to try the high res version next and hopefully that works also.

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All of the problems that I've had must have been related to the Saitek software. I've had no x45 related problems with TAW 2008 since switching to XDProfile. I have even been able to use the Glide wrapper without problems. When I first tried Glide with the Saitek software the X45 either went haywire or completely dead. I'm going to try the high res version next and hopefully that works also.

Great news. Thanks for the update.

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How can you tell if you are using Glide or not. Last night while playing a mission I decided to try the smart view F12. When I did the screen appeared to freeze even though I could hear the other aircraft for the smart views, then the screen went blank and then the program crashed with the clean up and exiting error. Isn't this what happens in D3D? I'm thinking that I must have done something wrong when I copied the files from the glide folder into the F22 2008 folder.

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How can you tell if you are using Glide or not. Last night while playing a mission I decided to try the smart view F12. When I did the screen appeared to freeze even though I could hear the other aircraft for the smart views, then the screen went blank and then the program crashed with the clean up and exiting error. Isn't this what happens in D3D? I'm thinking that I must have done something wrong when I copied the files from the glide folder into the F22 2008 folder.

There are two simple ways to determine your exe.

First is to force dgvoodoo to a resolution other than 800x600, then load a mission and see how the image looks onscreen. If it still looks like 800x600, you're using the D3D exe. Note that your font sizes and textures will still look like 800x600; you need to look at the resolution of the 3D objects.

The other means is to move the glide2x.dll file to another folder, then run F22 and fire up a mission. If you get a CTD with a message that says "ERROR: unable to enable Glide.", then you're using the Glide exe

Since you're having trouble with F12, I have to assume you're using the D3D exe.

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In the manual it stated that your wingmen proficiency was based not only your completion of the missions but also on what level you played them. Since, I had taken a lot of time to complete all of these on the HARD level, I saved these scores for the future if I decided to start playing TAW again.

The problem I have had is that with each install I have had different results from the F222 2008. The first time it showed that I had not completed any campains (but one was active), only one training mission had been completed (I think it was Sidewinder), and I had no score so I was locked out of most campaigns.

On the second install, I had completed approximately 4 or 5 missions, won 2 campaigns (same one active) and my score was around 45,000.

For the third install, I had completed 6 missions since I had saved the folder from the second install (I completed additional missions), had won no campaigns (same one active) and my score was the same as with the second install.

If I ever get around to it, I plan on transferring my original folder into the original TAW to see what it shows.

RamJet,

Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this one. I wanted to make sure I got it right before posting a half-a$$ed non-solution.

I reviewed your issue, and determined that (shocker!) the problem is on my end. Apparently, the simultor.txt file wasn't as synched with vanilla TAW as I originally thought.

I have since updated this file, which can be found in the Incremental Fixes thread. Now all of your training missions from vanilla TAW should be good to go.

I had no idea that success in training missions translated to wingman proficiency in campaigns. Apparently you did read and retain that obscure paragraph on p.158 of the manual. :icon_bow: Have you actually noticed a difference in AI proficiency between installs? Also, do you know if this affects proficiency of other AI elements in your package (e.g. escort, SEAD)?

I'm also wondering, now that this is an issue, if AI proficiency is based on the number of single missions completed, or if it's based on the percentage of single missions completed. If it's the latter, then Adding all of these ADF/RSO missions might actually be counterproductive in this respect.

I don't have an answer for you regarding the discrepancy between campaigns. What i do believe is that the actual score of completed campaigns should be posted into the logfile.dat, though the logfile doesn't update the score from campaigns in progress. At that point, you need to have the tawx.* files in your pilot folder.

I really can't give you screenshots for the first two intalls, but I can for the current one. Let me know how you paste a screenshot into a post, then I will also show you what I meant by blocky clouds.

First step is to use a (preferably free) online graphics or ftp site such as Photobucket, and upload your screenshots to that site. Then copy a link to the ftp site (photobucket will automatically provide you with the forum codes) and paste the link in your post.

Regards,

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Home Fries:

Thanks again for the reply. Regarding the training missions and AI. I can't take credit for noting that paragraph in the manual since it was brought to my attention during discussions on the old DiD forum. There were many complaints about the AI when the game first came out and DiD pointed out the paragraph to members. I will take credit for remembering it though. I can't comment about the effects of the training mission on the AI since so far I haven't tried any campaigns yet in F22 2008 and after DiD pointed out the importance of the training missions I went about completing all of them before continuing the campaigns. As I remember it and as is written in the manual, the training accomplishments are imparted to your F22 wingmen.

I will make a few observations that I have had regarding the AI of TAW and some comments. I have had mixed experiences with the AI in TAW as I know many others have. Sometimes the AI is almost worthless (especially the wingmen) while at other times they really are quite helpful. I specifically remember a mission I played during a campaign in which my wingman was absolutely phenomenal. I even commented about it on SimHQ. He was taking out mission objectives, following commands exactly and was taking out bandits like an ace. My opinion is that one of the things that DiD accomplished with this game is to try and make it realistic even with the AI. By imparting your skills onto your wingmen, they emphasized the importance of training. Maybe you could skip the training yourself, but then you would be stuck with a bunch of bad pilots for wingmen. I think that DiD also purposely made the AI unpredictable. Let's face it, not every pilot is good. So, sometimes your stuck with bad SEAD and strike support and sometimes wingmen. Are the allied pilots all trained as well? Most likely not. That's one of the things I like about this game is the unpredictability. You never know what you have to contend with when you fly a mission. ADF/F22 were unique games with a lot of depth to them and that's what keeps us playing it. I think that if the graphics could ever be brought up to date (not that I'm suggesting that it should be), TAW would be a major hit again.

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